{"id":120136,"date":"2023-07-10T04:21:07","date_gmt":"2023-07-10T04:21:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dripp.zone\/news\/ethereum-inventor-vitalik-buterin-has-advice-for-bitcoiners-crypto-news\/"},"modified":"2023-07-10T04:21:09","modified_gmt":"2023-07-10T04:21:09","slug":"ethereum-inventor-vitalik-buterin-has-advice-for-bitcoiners-crypto-news","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dripp.zone\/news\/ethereum-inventor-vitalik-buterin-has-advice-for-bitcoiners-crypto-news\/","title":{"rendered":"Ethereum Inventor Vitalik Buterin Has Advice for Bitcoiners\n &#8211; Crypto News"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"position:relative;overflow:visible;font-size:1.2em;line-height:1.58\">\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">\u201cI think if we want Bitcoin to be more than payments, it needs more scaling solutions,\u201d said Vitalik Buterin, on a <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/udiWertheimer\/status\/1676839551124242432?s=20\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Twitter Spaces<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  this week, pointing to several experiments that <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-is-ethereum-quickly-explained-four-minute-guide\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Ethereum<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  has been trying out over the past years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">But the main problem, for him, is politics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">&#8220;Bitcoin has really weird politics,&#8221; he said, adding that he &#8220;doesn&#8217;t vibe with them.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Over 32,000 people tuned in to listen as the Ethereum inventor talked with &#8220;altcoin slayer&#8221; <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ercwl\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Eric Wall<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  and bitcoin developer <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/udiWertheimer\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Udi Wertheimer<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  about what bitcoiners can learn from ethereum.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">The trio tackled one of the main pain points of the world&#8217;s biggest cryptocurrency by market cap: Bitcoin&#8217;s <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/bitcoin-lightning-network\/\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">slow transaction<\/span><\/a> <span style=\"font-weight:400\">throughput, and thus the need for layer two <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/140703\/defi-projects-built-ethereum-scaling-solution-starknet-hit-10m\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">scaling approaches<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  to increase the speed at which people can send and receive digital assets.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">The majority of the discussion revolved around scaling, which is where Buterin, Wall, and Wertheimer think bitcoiners could learn the most from the presumed rival chain. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">\u201cI think if we want Bitcoin to be more than just payments, it will need scaling options like Plasma or ZK <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-are-ethereum-rollups-scaling-solution-cut-transaction-costs\/\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Rollups<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">,\u201d said Buterin, both of which have been tried on Ethereum. <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-is-optimism-using-rollups-to-help-scale-ethereum\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">optimism<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  and <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-is-arbitrum-speeding-up-ethereum-using-optimistic-rollups\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Arbitrum<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  are two successful examples of &#8220;rollups&#8221; that could serve as case studies for bitcoin, he said, adding that it would &#8220;be good to have an open mind&#8221; with regards to ZK-snark based solutions\u2014indicating a clear preference. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Ethereum has been experimenting with a wide variety of scaling solutions over the years, and is in the process of its latest update, <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/147768\/an-ethereum-developer-explains-why-proto-dansharding-is-a-big-deal\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">EIP-4844<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">which introduces blob blocks\u2014enabling up to <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/ethereum.org\/en\/roadmap\/danksharding\/\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">100,000 transactions per second<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">, <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Wall pushed the idea that <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-is-bitcoin-four-minute-instant-guide-explainer\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Bitcoin<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  should be studying these trials, fearing that the ecosystem will be left with less secure rollups.  Buterin responded that the proposal would likely draw &#8220;controversy with security hawks.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Wall, who has been taking center stage as of late with the <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/taprootwizards\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Taproot Wizards<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">brought up Bitcoin&#8217;s <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-makes-the-bitcoin-blockchain-secure\/\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">security model<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">and the 21 million hard cap.  <\/span><span style=\"font-weight:400\">It&#8217;s a question that Buterin said he has grappled with, although he pointed to <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/what-are-ordinals-a-beginners-guide-to-bitcoin-nfts\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">ordinals<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  as providing a reasonable fee market to cover the reducing block subsidies as well as subsequent security concerns.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Buterin also thinks Ordinals have brought a &#8220;return to builder culture&#8221; which in his words &#8220;is very good.&#8221;  He added that he &#8220;definitely see signs of hope now that we have Ordinals,&#8221; calling them a &#8220;real pushback to <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/139918\/laser-eyed-maxis-vs-jpeg-enjoyers-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-great-bitcoin-debate\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">laser eyed<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">  maximalism.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">Buterin also tried to find ten things that both ecosystems shared.  He pointed to claims of immutability by both chains, along with the fact they both have issues with layer-1 privacy.  Buterin also mentioned that both Ethereum and Bitcoin have showcased how difficult it is to do things in <\/span><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/resources\/consensus-protocols-what-are-they-guide-how-to-explainer\/\" class=\"sc-adb616fe-0 ePvUAp\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">decentralized consensus models<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight:400\">,<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">The Ethereum co-founder ended on a rather optimistic note, trying possibly to bring together both communities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"font-meta-serif-pro scene:font-noto-sans scene:text-base scene:sm:text-lg font-normal text-lg md:text-xl md:leading-9 tracking-px text-body gg-dark:text-neutral-100\"><span style=\"font-weight:400\">\u201cI think a world where there is at least one of these chains is better than one with none,\u201d he concluded.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"my-4 border-b border-decryptGridline\">\n<div class=\"text-left p-8 md:py-12 md:px-12 max-w-prose relative\"><span class=\"border-t-4 border-l-4 w-4 h-4 md:border-t-[6px] md:border-l-[6px] md:w-6 md:h-6 border-decryptPurple dark:border-decryptNeon gg-dark:border-cc-pink-2 absolute top-4 left-4 md:top-6 md:left-6\"\/><span class=\"border-t-4 border-l-4 w-4 h-4 md:border-t-[6px] md:border-l-[6px] md:w-6 md:h-6 border-decryptPurple dark:border-decryptNeon gg-dark:border-cc-pink-2 absolute rotate-180 bottom-4 right-4 md:bottom-6 md:right-6\"\/><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"font-akzidenz-grotesk font-bold text-xl md:text-3xl mb-6 md:text-center gg-dark:text-white\">Stay on top of crypto news, get daily updates in your inbox.<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cI think if we want Bitcoin to be more than payments, it needs more scaling solutions,\u201d said Vitalik Buterin, on a Twitter Spaces this week, pointing to several experiments that Ethereum has been trying out over the past years. 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